Merrick Dog Food Review

all right, there it is. that is what a 66 pound box of dog food looks like.ordered from petspectation.com last week. it arrived on my doorstep, free of charge today. let me get this insideand open it up. i'll be back in one second.

Medium Dog Crate Walmart

days of summer aren't even here yet ... but animal welfare is already reponding to calls about people

Medium Dog Crate Walmart, leaving their dogs in hot cars. news 13's fernanda lopez is live in the zoo

parking lot where a dog was just rescued this weekend -- fernanda kim -- animal welfare says it's getting more than a dozen calls a day about this. one of them here on sunday. and starting now -- no more

warnings. pant and park cpl. katherine waite, animal welfare 5;14 in the mornings we probably get about three calls in the afternoon they can get about 10 calls of animals left in hot

vehicles 5;20 while the temperatures outside have been pretty mild... 7;03 i would say starting at about 65 70 degrees is when we start getting the calls for dogs locked in the vehicle 7;09 animal

welfare says inside a parked car the temperatures can quickly become dangerous. especially for dogs. 10;02 it can go up within 20 degrees in just a matter of seconds 10;06 officers are

already rushing to these priority calls. nats chihuahua barking on sunday an animal welfare officer captured his response to this smiths on coors and central... show nats and video

5;34 the temperature read inside 117 degrees two dogs were locked in the vehicle 5;37 nats chihuahuas barking 5;37 they were panting and in distress 5;39 that officer was able to retrieve those animals

5;42 animal welfare says a lot of the calls come in from shopping centers, movies theater parking lots and even the zoo. like this call. nats dog barking in both these cases... the

owners were cited. 7;57 if you're getting up to 10 calls a day just right now and it's spring time those officers are giving out citations they're not going out and just giving an education 8;04

and as it gets warmer -- the likelihood of people facing more serious charges increases. 5;58 if the animal is actually in distress or dies in the vehicle you're loking at possibly a fourth degree

felony for extreme cruelty to an animal 6;05 a citation from animal welfare for leaving a dog in a hot car is a petty misdemeanor and can cost up to 500 hundred dollars ... or

up to 90 days in jail. back to you. okay fernanda. animal welfare says if you see a dog locked in a hot car even with

temperatures in the 70's .... you should call 3-1-1 or 9-1-1.

two men and a teen girl

Maximum Bully Dog Food

hey guys this week's video is a serious video, it's something that's very meaningful to me if you feel bored then you just can skip this video, and i'll have something more fun next week

Maximum Bully Dog Food, but i do hope that you stick around for a least a bit of my message everyone has their own struggles in life and maybe some of you are going through the same thing i was and we're together on this i hope that by talking about it, you won't feel so alone

and maybe i can help you a bit. so i am gonna draw it out and talk to you about this because i love drawing and it's a good release of emotion for me are you still there? okay, let's start bullying is something that is very close to my heart i experienced it first when i was a child you will notice i only ever share photos from when i was a baby up till about... six years old that's because after that i had a tough time

when i was about seven to twelve years old i became overweight and i got made fun of very often okay [sigh] i'm going to show you this was me i often wore baggy sweaters to hide my body kids called me names and made feel even worse about myself than i already did i would often go home from school crying to my parents did the other kids think i didn't know that i was fat? *deep breath* i didn't need to be told it

it made me so sad *deep sigh* but, i had my dolls and i had art i always dreamed of becoming a model or a singer but that seems so far away i was chubby and my voice sucked well i changed one of those things i still have no confidence in singing... but i went to the gym, i ate healthier and i lost weight now i didn't become anorexic, or do any extreme dieting at all as some of you may be thinking

i just ate healthier with portion control. i didn't binge eat junk food at night as i usually did, and i worked out regularly it took me time. it was about six months to lose it, but i made a lifestyle choice a change in diet, in my mind, and exercise that stuck with me until this day keeping me feeling good and my metabolism fast i won't go into details on how i did it maybe i'll write a blog later if you want if you do want know my diet and how i lost a lot of weight healthfully, leave me a comment below so i know okay moving on. after i lost weight, i got my grandma to take me to take me to modeling agencies and after a few no's because i was too short. one finally said yes! it's important to have people who encourage and support you

my grandmother always encouraged me to dream big and be creative my family has always been there for me to take me to every art, dance, modeling lesson and helped me when i needed it, and picked me up when i was down besides your family, friends are also great it's important to have friends and be that great friend back in fact just be kind and friendly to everyone not just the people you choose to hang out with i guess what i'm trying say is to surround yourself with positive people that inspire you instead of negativity. and also be that person yourself anyways i shocked myself and got into a modeling agency!

from there more self issues came... i was judged daily almost solely on my physical appearance, and compared to other girls if i didn't book a job i would often wonder why, or what part wasn't good enough about me? rosie!!! sorry she was barking i often wondered what i should change. the truth was there's nothing i could change... it's just some jobs weren't right for me and they weren't looking for my look then i started getting overseas contracts this put competition to a whole new level

i was constantly put with models that castings stuck in model agency vans or living in a house full of models i witnessed many things, good and bad good being i found some of my best friends bad being drugs, eating disorders, hate, jealousy i've seen girls trying to survive by only drinking water and eating sugar-free mints i even heard about one girl's portfolio being destroyed by nail polish remover being poured on it by another jealous model a portfolio is something that a model works so hard from months and years to build it determines whether you work or not this was all destroyed in 30 seconds, but did that make that jealous model a better model?

did she get any more jobs? no! she could've put her time and energy on making herself better of course i'm guilty i've also been jealous before. i'm surrounded by beautiful girls all the time i see them in magazines, and on auditions around me everywhere instead of turning to hate i just let it inspire me and i think i want to be like that one day! and then i just work harder but then again maybe i can never be like that because my body was made different and that's okay too i learnt to accept that

the next chapter of my life has turned me from a model to kind of an online personality a blogger, a youtuber, a model i guess? i don't really know what my title is... but from this i got you guys! you're my youtube and online family! i love making videos and photos for you and reading your comments i also love seeing your photos and anything that i inspired you on. even just a little bit i want to thank you for giving me a place to be you have given me an outlet to share my life with you and you have given me so much love, encouragement, and support it means the world to me thank you. really

but, the internet can also be bad place with this comes even more hate and criticism everyday i'm constantly judged everything i do, say, and every picture i post is analyzed i guess this is expected when you're in the public eye not everyone will like you everyone has their own opinions and that's okay, but if i listen to every comment people say to me i would look something like this it's impossible to listen to everyone

all i can do is what i love and what makes me happy and everyone should do that. we shouldn't judge or criticize people for doing that they have one life to live, let them live it worry about your own, not someone elses another thing is women fighting women i know this happens with men too. but i see it so much more with women it's probably because i am a girl. i don't know, the hormones, jealousy... emotions, it's just so much stronger we have enough to worry about as girls and women so we should unite to support, inspire and love each other

instead of bringing each other down other women are not my competition. i stand with them not against them if i learnt one thing is to do what makes me happy life is too short. if you live this way you won't have regrets and try not to worry what other people think or say about you as hard as it is, just know their negativity won't get them or you anywhere. it will just bring you down and distract you from your goals you can do anything you want as long as you put your heart and mind into it

believe in yourself. for those being bullied remember, you are amazing and it will get better be strong and hold on. i'm not saying you need to lose weight to be happy this is just something i felt that i wanted to do it's okay to just be who you are and embrace it. physical thing only takes you so far in life a great soul and personality is far better do what you want to do with the one life you have. love yourself because there is only one you in the world and you are special and for those of you doing the bullying

think more before you speak. does the other person really need to hear your opinion? do you know what's going on in their lives that makes them live in a certain way? probably not. everyone is going through things in their lives that you have no idea about if it's something physical like weight, maybe a big nose, small boobs i always got made fun of for that do you think that they don't know that already? it's hard enough to just love yourself and accept who you are and what you have on your own

it becomes even harder when someone else's telling you how bad you have it and why is it necessarily a bad thing? what you think is beautiful or not is different from what someone else thinks. and if we all look the same that would be boring. if you are the bully, also ask yourself, why are you doing this? is there something that you don't like about yourself? is there something that the other person has that you want? focus on yourself and reaching your goals instead of focusing on other people. it's hard to always be positive i can't do it either. but just try your best to think before you speak

and try to be kind. okay i got this on my thoughts. so what now? what's next for me? i don't know. but i'm going to keep doing what i want to do i'm going to learn japanese fluently. i'm going to wear my makeup and hair the way i want to i'm going to dress the way i like. i'm going to make more dance videos because i like to dance i'm human, i have flaws, i have things i don't like about myself i have doubts, i have issues and i know. but the one thing that i do know is i love life. and i'm going to live the happiest life i can. i hope you do too

i hope you can do what makes you happy. and block out the negative people that try to stop you or telling you you can't. because what i really want to tell you in this video

is that you can do anything you want to do if you work hard enough and believe in yourself. i wish you luck, health, happiness and success and remember, i'll always be here see you in my next video

Lyme Vaccine For Dogs

we've been discussing the third topic avaccination quite a bit lately and every year there are more than30,000 cases have lyme disease that are reported to the centers for diseasecontrol and prevention but in 2013 the cdc announced that thereal number of annual infections is probably closer to three hundredthousand

Lyme Vaccine For Dogs, than it is to 30,000 and there wasactually a lyme disease vaccine that was indevelopment in 1998 smithkline beecham which is nowglaxosmithkline developed a vaccine that was abouteighty percent effective for at least a

year after three doses against lyme diseasebut the advisory committee on immunization practices which counselsthe cdc on vaccine related matters they were kind of lukewarm about thereal benefit to the vaccine the necessity of it and they made a pretty weakrecommendation to consider vaccination for high-risk personsoverlooking the fact that countless casual gardeners and hikers were beinginfected instead they said that using protectiveclothing and

insect repellents despite very littleevidence that that actually prevent tick bites and even less evidence that peoplewill cut will regularly use them was a butt the preferred recommendationnevertheless the vaccine did make it onto the market and physicians were ableto decide what to do with these kinda lukewarm ambiguous recommendations the manufacture made and air over theirown which was to advertise the vaccine directly to the public despite the fact that people mostly relyin spite of all those ads you see people mostly rely on their doctorsrecommendation

the biggest blow to the marketing of thevaccine came when a group of volunteers that have been involved in the prelicensure studies reported that they had developedarthritis after the vaccinations now the rate ofarthritis in the vaccinated volunteers was exactly the same as the rate ofarthritis in the control group but there were somelime disease activists which said clearly thisvaccine causes arthritis so let me say that youagain i believe it was a hundred and twenty one people

i don't 1.4 million who were vaccinated developed arthritis this same percentage of people who were in acontrol group that did not receive the vaccinationalso developed arthritis however causing arthritis was a mainanti-vaccine marketing efforts surrounding this vaccine the anti-vaccine group seized on thisand as we know that kinda fell by thewayside now i'm not pretending there were no questions about the vaccine

we had no more than one year in terms ofthe we didn't know the long-term effects of the vaccine they're all there wereonly one year studies done there was a question aboutreally the the effectiveness eighty percenteffective is okay what does that really tell us how does that fall compared to other vaccines there's nodoubt there were questions about it but even if we go back lewis to thenineteen nineties we see that the anti-black back seen inall cases crowd was already very influential than right

which i was unaware of i wonder you know if they realize what life wouldbe like without any back scenes at all okay even support that bites still withthis particular drug if i were offered it and i were toldafter three doses i b only protected per year knowing nothing about the long-termeffects a bit me personally i would decline it rightthat scores not to say that it's ineffective in point is useless and orharm

it particularly if you can see thatyou're not someone is regularly hiking in tall grass is so on and so forththere are people who read that you a lot

a garden in there are people for whomthis would actually be worthwhile

Lakeside Dog Grooming

good evening. this evening we have regrets from councilors. counselor adams moves. that carries. committee relaxes the rules.

Lakeside Dog Grooming, first item is a content item that the staffexpect would have no public comment and and no controversy associated with. council, how do you want to deal with it? adams moving.

discussion if any. and defined day cans toplan as has been approved. there are no confidential consent items. and there is a public meeting and recommendationreport on the draft plan, state view homes before us tonight. if you give your attention to to the seniorplanner, he will summarize the matter to date. i know council read all of the material. this is this is by way of a public hearingand will be we'll polling the audience for comments. >> i don't need the present take.

if not, i would move the recommendation. >> any members of the public here for informationon the estates matter. going, once, twice. >> i would love the staff recommendation. >> thank you, rob, for being ready, this meansyou did such a good job there's no questions. any discussion all in favor. closed if any and that carries. now the public meeting report for the zoningbylaw amendment for stennro engineering is next up.

give your attention to trish, they will briefthe public and remind the council of what you studied. trish, we're all ears. >> the purpose of the report is to amend thebylaw for 235881 in conjunction with statutory meetings. there's no decisions to be made at this time. the report is to be received by council. subject lands located 2358 eighth line andincludes the brought north of that shown here, identified as block 116 on plan be 120706at the southwest corner of ravine view and

eighth line. it applies to both rots and been titled byapplicant. the area around the site has been developed. has been developed as subdivision. it was constructed just over 15 years ago. the brought has a total area of 0.1 hectares.1 hectares with 24 meters of frontage along eighth line and 33 along ravine way. the applicant seeks approval to permit thelands to be develop canned if three detached dwellings.

the portion adjacent are zoned rlh and thebalance are zoned rl5 special provision one. the purpose is to establish rl8 zoning forthe entire land holdings. had would be consistent with the rest of theneighborhood. once the zoning is in place, the lot willbe served in three lots w frontage along the way. and plans will be required for each dwellingprior to construction. the brought decimated low residency. is located within a residential neighborhood. any development on this brought must conformto part d of the oakville plan. it speaks to the importance of compatibilitywith the neighborhood.

policies of oakville speak to the compatibilitybe of power play, including scale, height, matching, architectural and details, and accessto name a few things we're looking at. there is currently split zoning which appliesto the subject lands as they were two different properties and are now one. the zoning is split. the northerly portion is zoned rl8 and thebalance zoned rl5. special provision one. it is a provision that encompasses a lot oflots through oakville and it it looks at minimum lot frontage area and setback.

applicant requests for rezone the land tofacilitate the development of the three detached the following matters are identified for considerationas part of the completion of the application. the compatibility with the surrounding neighborhood,lot sighs, setbacks and massing, including the lower area of the new dwelling and theimpact to the surrounding development. in conclusion staff put forward the followingrecommendation, as shown, for council aye consideration. the comments from the public with respectto the zoning amendment application for 2358 eighth line be received. >> thank you.

councilor adams. >> thank you for presentation. two questions for you. the first is regarding noise levels in theoutdoor living area in the corner lot, could you add that to issues list for a responsewhen the report comes back ultimately. >> yes, i will. >> thank you so much. the other, not really a matter regarding thezoning bylaw. it is a matter of during construction to insurethat there are adequate securities and procedures

in place to insure that the neighbors on botheight line and ravine way side are not put into discomfort with respect to mud trackingand that sort of thing. this was a concern half brought up duringcan conversation period. >> you'll respond to that during reporting? >> yes. view no questions from the audience, theni'll gladly move. >> thank you councillor. are there members of the public on this matter,going once, twice. councilor's motion is in order.

discussion? all in favor. that carries, thank you, councilor. that brings us to the discussion item tonight,the lakeshore road project. the finishing theme recommendation. mr. cozi are you prepared? >> yes, good evening mayor. i have a presentation here.

thank you once again. this should only take a few minutes here tobrief you on the report and answer any questions that you may have. town council previously approved the downtowntransportation and streetscape study in the spring of 2015. the dts study provided a master plan for allstreets in downtown oakville. it also recommended a contemporary theme formaterials and furnishing. council provided staff approval to proceedwith the road and streetscape project with is intended for 2019, two years.

and the bridge rehabilitation project. that's slated to start early in 2013. the design for the project commenced in 2016. there was significant negative feedback receivedfrom the public on the contemporary theme for the street specifically for the streetlightsand the benches and bike rinks and ballers. conversely there appeared to be positive feedbackregarding the pavers and curbs and metal waste receptacles. council considered the feedback that was receivedand added meeting in late july of this past summer, provided staff with the followingdirection.

the following four bullets is just a summaryof your direction, it is not a direct quote, but i believe it covers the intent, that wasto first relaunch the engagement project with conventional and classical furniture options. to move forward with the pavers and wastereceptacles. that's important because we're moving forwardwith the lakeshore bridge project shortly. and to further develop options for lakeshorebridge, with a curbless street. i'm here to announce the first results ofthe engagement project. the staff developed a two paged approach toaddress council, in order to relaunch the public engagement.

the first phase because about selecting thetheme. so we were focusing on concepts. which included photos of furnishing examplesto provide people an understanding of what the theme would look like. we held several in person sessions. the farmer's market was successful, even thoughthe second saturday rained a lot. we had well over 200 people attends thosesegs. we had four other sessions, 16 mile creekand the ridge community center and qep and the again abbey arena as well.

those were during week nights. we held a public open house a couple of weeksago here at town hall. in addition to that, we had an online feedbackprocess. we had well over 300 people participate inthe in person session. the second phase will be all about selectingthe actual furnishes, we'll go back to the public with the suite option. as i said earlier, i think i said 1300, buti meant 1400 people attended the segs or provided online feedback. these are the results, classic, and contemporarypreferences.

they indicated wanting to reuse the acornstreetlight. so based on the public process, we've conductedso far, staff is recommending a traditional theme up about phase two of public engagementwill commence later this autumn. that will consist can of internal meetingsby staff to review and recommend the suites of positions. we want to make sure we're recommending optionsto the public to consider that meet our standards. we will be following up with a report to heritagecommittee to outline options and receive their feedback and then hold an open house preferablyafter the heritage meeting and presents those suite options.

where possible, we'll have as many of thesematerials to be on hand for viewing. i say has because it is not easy a to geteverything here, to be available for viewing. make every attempt to get everything here. the items that we can't have we'll have photos. online feedback continues, similar to phaseone, providing those individuals with the opportunity to view and select first suitesfrom home. staff reviews the results and post the recommendedsuite option online. that will be in january. we failed to mention, we want it in late novemberearly december.

we'll post results in early january. report to council in late january or earlyfebruary, depending on council schedule. we'll then go to heritage oakville in february. we'll adapt those selections into our bridgeproject which will already be under way. we'll retro fit some items in the project. the existing streetlights, just want be totalk about those briefly, i can assure you, they will be considered as alternate withinthe proposed suite options. we will conduct technical review of the streetlights. look at life cycle, condition, the issue ofhow to address attachment on the poles.

design issues relating to lighting levelsand spacing requirements between the poles. and construction costs. taking them down and shipping into storage. reconditioning them. converting them to led. and then of coursethe reinstall laying. we'll compare though costs to what it wouldcost to buy new similar poles based on what the public prefers. and making making a i guess good evening. this evening we have regretsfrom councilors. counselor adams moves. that

carries. committee relaxes the rules. firstitem is a content item that the staff expect would have no public comment and and no controversyassociated with. council, how do you want to deal with it? adams moving. discussionif any. and defined day cans to plan as has been approved. there are no confidential consentitems. and there is a public meeting and recommendation report on the draft plan, state view homesbefore us tonight. if you give your attention to to the senior planner, he will summarizethe matter to date. i know council read all of the material. this is this is by way ofa public hearing and will be we'll polling the audience for comments.>> i don't need the present take. if not, i would move the recommendation.>> any members of the public here for information

on the estates matter. going, once, twice.>> i would love the staff recommendation. any discussion all in favor. closed if anyand that carries. now the public meeting report for the zoning bylaw amendment for stennroengineering is next up. give your attention to trish, they will brief the public and remindthe council of what you studied. trish, we're all ears.>> the purpose of the report is to amend the bylaw for 235881 in conjunction with statutorymeetings. there's no decisions to be made at this time. the report is to be receivedby council. subject lands located 2358 eighth line and includes the brought north of thatshown here, identified as block 116 on plan be 120706 at the southwest corner of ravineview and eighth line. it applies to both rots

and been titled by applicant. the area aroundthe site has been developed. has been developed as subdivision. it was constructed just over15 years ago. the brought has a total area of 0.1 hectares .1 hectares with 24 metersof frontage along eighth line and 33 along ravine way. the applicant seeks approval topermit the lands to be develop canned if three detached dwellings. the portion adjacent arezoned rlh and the balance are zoned rl5 special provision one. the purpose is to establishrl8 zoning for the entire land holdings. had would be consistent with the rest of the neighborhood.once the zoning is in place, the lot will be served in three lots w frontage along theway. and plans will be required for each dwelling prior to construction. the brought decimatedlow residency. is located within a residential

neighborhood. any development on this broughtmust conform to part d of the oakville plan. it speaks to the importance of compatibilitywith the neighborhood. policies of oakville speak to the compatibility be of power play,including scale, height, matching, architectural and details, and access to name a few thingswe're looking at. there is currently split zoning which applies to the subject landsas they were two different properties and are now one. the zoning is split. the northerlyportion is zoned rl8 and the balance zoned rl5. special provision one. it is a provisionthat encompasses a lot of lots through oakville and it it looks at minimum lot frontage areaand setback. applicant requests for rezone the land to facilitate the development ofthe three detached dwellings. the following

matters are identified for consideration aspart of the completion of the application. the lower area of the new dwelling and theimpact to the surrounding development. in conclusion staff put forward the followingrecommendation, as shown, for council aye consideration. the comments from the publicwith respect to the zoning amendment application for 2358 eighth line be received.>> thank you. councilor adams. >> thank you for presentation. two questionsfor you. the first is regarding noise levels in the outdoor living area in the corner lot,could you add that to issues list for a response when the report comes back ultimately.>> yes, i will. >> thank you so much. the other, not reallya matter regarding the zoning bylaw. it is

a matter of during construction to insurethat there are adequate securities and procedures >> thank you. this was a concern half broughtup during can conversation period. >> you'll respond to that during reporting?>> yes. view no questions from the audience, then i'll gladly move.>> thank you councillor. are there members of the public on this matter, going once,twice. councilor's motion is in order. discussion? all in favor. that carries, thank you, councilor.that brings us to the discussion item tonight, the lakeshore road project. the finishingtheme recommendation. mr. cozi are you prepared? >> yes, good evening mayor. i have a presentationhere. thank you once again. this should only take a few minutes here to brief you on thereport and answer any questions that you may

have. town council previously approved thedowntown transportation and streetscape study in the spring of 2015. the dts study provideda master plan for all streets in downtown oakville. it also recommended a contemporarytheme for materials and furnishing. council provided staff approval to proceed with theroad and streetscape project with is intended for 2019, two years. and the bridge rehabilitationproject. that's slated to start early in 2013. the design for the project commenced in 2016.there was significant negative feedback received from the public on the contemporary themefor the street specifically for the streetlights and the benches and bike rinks and ballers.conversely there appeared to be positive feedback regarding the pavers and curbs and metal wastereceptacles. council considered the feedback

that was received and added meeting in latejuly of this past summer, provided staff with the following direction. the following fourbullets is just a summary of your direction, it is not a direct quote, but i believe itcovers the intent, that was to first relaunch the engagement project with conventional andclassical furniture options. to move forward with the pavers and waste receptacles. that'simportant because we're moving forward with the lakeshore bridge project shortly. andto further develop options for lakeshore bridge, with a curbless street. i'm here to announcethe first results of the engagement project. public engagement. the first phase becauseabout selecting the theme. so we were focusing on concepts. which included photos of furnishingexamples to provide people an understanding

of what the theme would look like. we heldseveral in person sessions. the farmer's market was successful, even though the second saturdayrained a lot. we had well over 200 people attends those segs. we had four other sessions,16 mile creek and the ridge community center and qep and the again abbey arena as well.those were during week nights. we held a public open house a couple of weeks ago here at townhall. in addition to that, we had an online feedback process. we had well over 300 peopleparticipate in the in person session. the second phase will be all about selecting theactual furnishes, we'll go back to the public with the suite option. as i said earlier,i think i said 1300, but i meant 1400 people attended the segs or provided online feedback.these are the results, classic, and contemporary

preferences. they indicated wanting to reusethe acorn streetlight. so based on the public process, we've conducted so far, staff isrecommending a traditional theme up about phase two of public engagement will commencelater this autumn. that will consist can of internal meetings by staff to review and recommendthe suites of positions. we want to make sure we're recommending options to the public toconsider that meet our standards. we will be following up with a report to heritagecommittee to outline options and receive their suite options. where possible, we'll haveas many of these materials to be on hand for viewing. i say has because it is not easya to get everything here, to be available for viewing. make every attempt to get everythinghere. the items that we can't have we'll have

photos. online feedback continues, similarto phase one, providing those individuals with the opportunity to view and select firstsuites from home. staff reviews the results and post the recommended suite option online.that will be in january. we failed to mention, we want it in late november early december.we'll post results in early january. report to council in late january or early february,depending on council schedule. we'll then go to heritage oakville in february. we'lladapt those selections into our bridge project which will already be under way. we'll retrofit some items in the project. the existing streetlights, just want be to talk about thosebriefly, i can assure you, they will be considered as alternate within the proposed suite options.we will conduct technical review of the streetlights.

look at life cycle, condition, the issue ofhow to address attachment on the poles. design issues relating to lighting levels and spacingrequirements between the poles. and construction costs. taking them down and shipping intostorage. reconditioning them. converting them to led. and then of course the reinstall laying.we'll compare though costs to what it would cost to buy new similar poles based on whatthe public prefers. and making making a i guess a recommendation to you ultimately onwhich poles should go. that review will be used to help the public understand what willbe involved in reusing the poles. it is not simply reuse them. they need to be reconditioned.it will assist us in making a recommendation to council. flexible street options, we'rethis the process of developing the design.

we've focused, a little bit or most of ourtime on on the furniture selection lately. so we're still in the process of developingthe detail engineering design, we are looking at an option to provide a curbless streetalong the entire section. and lost also the option that was recommended in the dts study,which is to build in front of town square. we'll look into this. include this in thepublic consultation and get input. we'll report back to council for a recommendation. i don'tknow if we could get back to you at the same time we have the recommendation. more thanlikely we'll have a separate report to you in the wintertime discussing the flexiblestreet option. that's my presentation. and i would be happy to answer questions.>> thank you. council, we have a delegation,

do you have any questions? hutchins. thankyou. i'm glad that you're going to reassess the acorn lights and let us know if and howthey could be properly reused or or some sort of taller, similar looking or something likethat. the benches, you mentioned things coming in, the last time the benches that were selectedmost women sitting on it couldn't touch the floor. it is uncomfortable to be dangling.we need to make sure that the benches are suitable. my last question, the second phase,the time of bringing back the flex street. are we talking about a month, two months,three months after the original? or some other time? i believe three months after the followup report. >> very good. i would be pleased to recommendit. mr. cozi it was indicated that a person

thought the beams were too narrow and thedark area would be covered, will you consider this?>> we'll design the street lights our standards, i received your e mail earlier this afternoon.i don't know what happened in the case of of that particular individual, but our roadsand works operations has been alerted of that, i believe, it seemed to me that constituentwas was bringing to your attention, a recent conversion of the light from high pressuresodium to l.e.d., they will address whether everything is working appropriately.>> there is a good start on this report in moving forward with the streetscape. however,i also have constituents indicating about the l.e.d. lights, sorry to mix and matchwith this report on the l.e.d.. i would suggest

that we really clarify to the public aboutlighting. if we're moving into hard escaping and so forth, it is important that that thecommunity knows about l.e.d. lighting and what the benefits and disadvantages are. rightnow there's information out there. i think it is old information. technology is changingas we speak. i think that's going to be a sensitive button, even when we put in thatlight standards downtown designed and the l.e.d. lighting is something we need to consider,what is appropriate for us. my second question with this is going into the next phase, isit the same consultant we're using in the second phase in or was this done by staffthat regional surveying? >> the team consist of town staff and twoconsultants. they were all involved in the

in the first phase of the public consultation,we'll all be involved in the second part. there wasn't really a question but i interpretedwhat the question was, the town has standards with regards to the l.e.d. conversion. it is focused on on the conversion of cobra heads. or none decorativetype lights. that's generally focused in on the busier streets. some residential applicationswhere they were converted. the town approved what is deemed. i'm going to say this andsound like i'm an expert, and believe me, i do not, the standard is based on four kdesign standard. there's four k and three k. town has approved 4,000k, sorry 4 k andgoing forward there a report coming to council or to budget committee sorry later this falldiscussing the next phase of the conversion

which is going to involve the balance of thedecorative lights. not the lights downtown, but there are other decorative lights in residentialareas like the coach lantern style. and addressing the budget for that. and what the recommendationwill be. four k lights is what 95 percent of north american municipalities are using.i've been advised more closely resembles actual moonlight than yellow light. and that is providesa it it is more clear light and and safer, creates a safer environment in terms of youknow, criminal activity, et cetera. it is brighter. i know the town's conversion program,each light is being retrofitted with a device to allow them to be dimmed. that's an optionfor the town to consider dimming the light. if our town standard is four k, councilor,we'll design it to four k and if at the end

of the day, you could approve that or adviseus to do something different. the issue with the pole today is their height to bring themto current standard. we have to we have to place more of them. so to tighter spacingthan what is currently there. if we went to a similar slight pole, say the same pole.but brand new that was four feet higher. you could probably deal with the spacing muchmore effectively. at end of the day, we can reuse the light poles. there's going to bea cost to do that. and i think the public and you should be aware of what that costis before we make that decision. no one here saying you can't use them. we're going tohave to live up to some of the down sides of the existing poles which is the attachments.you can't attach anything to them other than

using term mcivering, attach it to any streetsign, parking sign or planter or banner. if that is suitable to the public and council,that's fine, we'll continue strapping the poles. they can't be retro fitted. i don'tthink they could be retro fitted to accept brackets. we'll make that decision at theappropriate time. i just wanted to give you that update.>> thank you. >> councilor hutchins.>> when you talked about four k, that's 4,000 kelvin you're talking about which is the colortemperature of the light, is that correct? >> that's correct. so 6500, 6700 is daylight,blue, looks sharp. and 3,000 to 3500, 3700 is like your incandescent bulb at home.>> you know what you're talking about, councilor.

>> for the public's benefit hutchins is inthe l.e.d. business. i will go to you councilor and then back to you.>> thanks for the report. i'm curious about the residents in this phase what kind of evidenceyou received from residents all over or downtown. >> i don't have with me i don't have a mapshowing the location of the residents that responded. we do have information, but i don'thave the map with me that shows a distribution based on the first three letters of your postalcode. but we were in in all areas of the town, in the north and the east and the west. andyou know, we believe we received a good selection of residents that attended in person anyways.the the sessions at the arenas were 20 or 30 per session. we had great ways to engagethe public. all i can say, it appeared to

us that we had representation from from throughoutthe town. but i don't have the specifics, sorry.>> councilor. >> you talked about mcivering the poles. iknow there's on going wind storms. >> thanks for reminding me, did i fail tomention that. that's another issue with the poles because the gfi's been retrofitted onthe outside of the pole with a supposed weatherproof material. it is not weather proof. our staffwere there continually dealing with these receptacles blowing out.>> just because i know there are many that have no idea what gfi is, could you say thisin english. >> a ground fault interrupter up about thething that snaps off when you have water on

your switch.>> it is like a built in you few, in a newer home if you installed a hot tub, you wouldhave a gfi receptacle. now i forgot what i was saying. did i answer your question? thegfi, that's a concern and we're going to compare that to what is available let's say on a newpole where those gfi's would be imbedded within the pole itself. you could go with a mobileor taller unit. if off lower unit, you have more smaller distance between them and tallerunit would allow you to go with lesser number of street poles.>> yes. >> go ahead. the gfi's that are provided onthe poles, won't be the only ones, those are decorative attachments. we know there's lotsof festivals. those require power excitements

that exceed plugging into a gfi. bands, etcetera. we'll work with the bia to establish those receptacle connections probably in theplant event. there will be other gfi's at ground level to support the quantity on thepoles. so >> little of every.>> for for the number of poles, i'm curious how you're going to get feedback on the numberof light downtown. i don't know whether people are thinking about about what the actual quantityor the distance between them will be. but that would certainly affect the bia and abilityto hang plants and banners and lights and different things.>> yes. if if if we continue to to strap the brackets on the poles, you know, they'll theexisting poles that is, they'll be able to

hang the planters as they do today. the pointi was making, councilor is that if we have gfi receptacles today, we'll have x plus ygoing forward because we'll every pole will have one plus additional receptacles in theplanting beds for 220 and standard voltage. more than enough receptacles to suit the needsdowntown. >> you talked about decorative light, thelights currently there, you get something similar, chances are the light will have thesame pattern. we don't have a dark sky policy downtown. it is a lot of the light goes upup through the top of the fixture currently. if it were similar fixture concerned aboutwhat some people consider to be the harshness that we're going to be uplighting to a muchgreater degree than we are now.

>> i understand that. i all i can say i needto replace the microphone. we will we'll be dealing with these issues and and i at thispoint i don't know what more i could say about that, other than we'll deal with it.>> something you're considering. >> sure. last question, you talked about thefarmer's market. i agree. with the number of people there. if we could get samples ofthe furniture, may be chilly for the farmers market. but we have a number of events throughoctober and november. i would love to see you make a good effort to try to get themto the downtown area. whether it be the benches, the receptacles and lights to let people havea look. >> yes, we'll try. it is difficult. we'redealing with suppliers that shipped the material

to our premises and then pick them up. generallywe have them a few days. they want them back. so we'll try our best. i can't commit.>> leave it with us. >> we'll try our best.>> councilor chisolm. >> thank you. if this happens with the l.e.d.lighting would there be light reduction or more or same capacity now?>> i'm going to answer that two parts. the lights downtown will not be converted as partof the town's conversion program, they'll be converted or replaced as part of the projectin 2019 and 2020. okay. so they're not being converted in in the short term. in terms ofthe light. my understanding is that 4,000k does sort of resemble the lighting level ofwhat is this today. it is because it is a

different spectrum, it appears a lot differentto people. because it is different specter, my understanding it is roughly the same. i'mnot speaking from authority here. >> what we're saying the light standards basedon what we have today would be the same number of light standards in the downtown. that wasmy question. >> i'm not committing to that.based on the standard if we salvaged the existing light poles downtown, we may have to acquireadditional ones and install them in tighter spacing to achieve the town standard. unlessyou tell us otherwise. >> thank you. we have two delegations on thishearty. would you call the first delegation. first delegation on this matter is susan fromdowntown of bia.

>> we look forward to your information andhandout. >> thank you. mayor burton and members ofcouncil for allowing me to speak this evening and express the opinions of the of the downtownbirks a members. i have a short presentation. sorry if the writing is small. i was tryingto save paper. to yep. no, i only got it on hard copy, sorry. to align with what the directionof council to have staff reconvene public consultation on the matter of theme of furniturefor the downtown oakville streetscape project. we reengaged the members with an online survey.we don't have a lot of luck having members come out in person. we typically get bestresponse through e mail. so from september 9th, to the 23rd, we had an online e mailsurvey out to members. we have about 400 members.

our typical survey response is around 10 percentor 40 people. we had 36 people respond to the survey. the response was similar to thatof the general public where all of a sudden over 40 percent in favor of a traditionalfurniture theme for the downtown, followed by classic and then contemporary. so in termsof bia's preference it is conventional. previously, the members were engaged as consult and nota separate survey done for the bia members. it comes up there, magic. that's pretty muchit for my for my that's the summary saying that thepreference was for the traditional theme furniture. small and disturbing question. we use thesame language that the town used in terms of the survey and allowed our members to link0 into the same bank of photographs for the

traditional and classic themed furniture.asked them to come back to our survey site and provide their response. there there you could see, a bit blurry, the yellow bar at the top shows the preference for thetraditional furniture and classic in the orange and contemporary is the blue. so lined upwith the general population. >> hutchins has a question for you. let'ssee how everything lines up with that. >> thank you so much for the presentation.you heard how mr. cozi will go to the public on the streetscape stuff and the lakeshoreroad and so on. are you planning to go to your members and ask the same question ordoes bia have a position on this? >> we like to get the opinion of our members.we will do that. we follow what ever the town

is doing, if we could get the same feedbackfrom the members, that our preference. no other questions, call the next delegation.>> next delegation is chris mactavish, speaking on behalf of a concerned group of citizens.>> council looking forward to your information. >> thank you. your worship, mayor burton andmembers of council, good evening and thank you for allowing us this opportunity. my nameis trish mactavish. i live at 53 navy street. i'm part of a group of concerned citizenswho have been actively involved in the consultation process to select style of street furnishesand lighting for our cherished downtown. i'm here tonight to say firstly, we fully supportthe staff recommendation that council approved a traditional style theme for the streetlightsbenches, and bike rings and so on, we believe

a traditional them is consistent with thetown council's vision of the downtown, which is to create a vibrant downtown where peoplecome together to live, work, stay, shop, meet and engage. it will be the cultural part ofour city. where citizens can experience the natural setting, heritage, culture, and thearts. as we look towards phase two, of the selection process, we ask council approvea more comprehensive engagement process beyond the planned online feedback and one publicmeeting outlined in the staff report. our primary concern is the streetlights. bothin terms of their form and the lighting impact. in terms of form. the staff report highlights,there were many comments from residents indicating a preference to keep and reuse the existinglamps where feasible. there's 278 acorn lights

downtown. another ten in lakeside ark, sixin centennial square, eight in town square and four in georgia square. given our historyand the importance that the downtown has with origins of our downtown and the natural linkto the acorn we think all efforts should be made to retain this light form. we have beenin touch with king luminare, the burlington company that produced the current lamps. ipersonally spoke with the company. and they still make these street lamps. and they'reavailable in different heights. they also make an l.e.d. conversion kit. while someof the older street lamps might not be able to be retro fitted, they indicated they couldbe replaced with new acorn lamps with l.e.d. that are of the same form. from a maintenanceperspective, the lamp standards can be powder

coated and will last 15, 20 years. one companyuses a five step process and offers a large number of standard colors and two qualitylevels of paint. since the poles need to be dismantled before being delivered to the coatingfactory, the regeneration of the acorn lamps could be done in the reconstruction periodthe streets. in terms of lighting impact which councilors have brought the subject up tonight.getting the right rct which i think stands for correlated color temperature or l.e.d.is critical. from our research we think it is important to learn from the experiencesof other communities who have gone down can this road. to insure that the impact of thelighting maintains an broken yet ambience and minimizes any potential negative impacton the night sky due to brightness or glare.

we have provided adam kylie in the town'sengineering department with a brief on our research. and the experience of the city ofdavis california in particular. one key thing learned was a pilot testing of the actuallights to see and gauge their impact. when it comes to the street furniture and the benches,i love the idea of bringing them to downtown oakville to try. that's exactly what we'rerequesting. we think it is important to recognize that these benches are not just decorativein downtown oakville. they're all in use. and as a result, comfort has to be the primaryfocus. metal benches as shown in one of the options for traditional possible, they maybe a potential option within the traditional theme, we're concerned they run the risk ofbeing too hot in the summer, too cold in the

winter and too hard at all times. as suchwe think that wooden options would be more appropriate. it is critical that we investthe time now in this phase two. to insure that the final choice for downtown oakvillestreetlighting and furniture is consistent with and promotes the character of and ambianceof our historic downtown. our request to council regarding phase two is two fold. first, wewould like to see every effort made to retain the acorn light standards through a combinationof reuse and building new light standards that match. we recognize that selective lightingmay be required for some specific areas such as along the bridge and certain intersectionsand believe that a complementary design, incorporating the acorn at different heights are possible.this has been seen in examples in in both

port hope and downtown burlington. second,we would like to see samples downtown, including various light options in furniture, so peoplecould physically interact with the options and experience the impact. as nick was sayingabout the benches, your feet don't touch the ground. you don't get that from a photograph.we think this is critical to a successful selection process. before i close, i wouldlike to share some oakville history with you. i don't know how many of you have seen thesephotos. i have copies that can be handed out. i perhaps, i have ten, so maybe they couldbe shared. thank you. jamie mccray was here tonight. has provided these photos, of hisgrandfather. there we go. don't show up well. of his grandfather monty macrae who is notin the first one, but i believe jamie's grandmother

is. and there's spooner from 1935. i wouldlike to draw your attention to the bridge in the background and in particular to theacorn style street lamps in the red circles. there's a series of three photos that showthe bridge and the lights. very similar to the acorn style streetlights we enjoy today.the last photo isn't from 1935, it is from 1969 with the modern bridge and light standards.in 1969 they were considered contemporary. today they're considered outdated. the firstthree pictures show we have a long history with our timeless acorn lights. we're merelythe current stewards of downtown oakville, our heritage gem, many generations beforeus and there will be many generations after us. let's make sure we get this right on ourwatch. thank you tonight for your attention.

for the opportunity to present to you.>> thank you so much and the walk down memory lane. any questions? councilor grant?>> i have to phrase this as a question. are you aware the research doesn't take you farfrom town hall as far as lighting goes? at six line, which is just two minutes from here,we were concerned that the lighting the l.e.d. lighting would would light up the sky, changethe character of the neighborhood. but we stuck by mr. cozi's recommendations. the lightingwas slight, i would trust staff that the lighting they would propose would be consistent withwhat we expect. i certainly hope that's true. >> just go down the street and you could takea look. >> i've driven along rebecca street and beenjust about blinded.

>> perhaps it was lighter at the time.>> they are new. just been put in. >> these are three years old, i believe. socertainly. well, we don't need to argue about this.>> we won't. >> staff made it plain that there's goingto be trials and demonstrations. >> thank you. i have more questions for you,though, councilor elgar. >> i can't remember what are the benches likeat the lake. i don't. not a trick question. i wonder if they're wooden or what they are.>> they're like a wooden park bench. >> thank you.>> councilor, thank you for holding your hand up.>> thank you. given be what we heard in terms

of the functionability of the existing poles,gfi, problems with the bia in terms of signage and things that go on them, would you be bewilling to forgo the new function that we require out of our light posts, just to havethe acorn posts? >> well, i'm certainly not an merging experton the gfi. i do have a couple of people here who are. would you be willing to referencethe gfi part. >> just the functionability. whether it isplaces to hang be signs, places to hang banners. i think some of the signs don't have the functionsnow which many other communities in business districts take for granted for promotionalmaterials or christmas lights and things. if we couldn't get those on the sold sign,or on the old post, you would prefer to keep

the old post, would that factor into yourdecision making? >> i think it is clear that it is not justmy opinion, but the majority of people who we've spoken to which i have to say is hundredsdon't want to see those lights changed. so i would say that they're there hopefully issome type of com nation situation in this day and age where something can be done tothe existing poles to retro fit them. i think there's companies that can do anything withanything these days. >> i'm sure there is. that would be the partthat should be thoroughly investigated. >> thank you so much.>> earlier when you were sharing your information with us us, did i hear you correctly, i thoughtyou said the maker of the original poles is

still making them, new ones could be had thatlook like old ones but have modern conveniences. is that what you presented? .>> that's what they told me. they said they're actually still providing poles in cases wherethere's poles needed in oakville. >> sure. if it came to that, you would behappy with new ones that matched the old ones, but had modern conveniences, i assume. isthat right? >> i would say that if if if a pole is oldenough it can't be retro fitted with l.e.d. >> brackets for the signs and baskets. andto build in the circuits in the base. there's a range of of>> i think >> i think steven would like to address this.he's an engineer, i'm not. i apologize.

>> thank you for coming. and starting theconversation. and if steven would identify himself.>> steven haught. >> would you help us understand this. tellme if i'm wrong. i think i heard we could have brand new poles and that they can haveall of these conveniences that we want built into them rather than strapped on to them.if we buy new ones. so what i'm trying to get at, is there a preference for the oldones or can they be new so long as they look like old ones.>> i think they could be new. i think we have a lot of trust that the staff and the townbe would be able to to come up with something that would be a compromise and with engagementwith the community, there could be a a solution

has could be meow or or it could be it couldbe a reuse of existing acorn lights. i think the big concern we have is about the colorspectrum. i'm surprised tonight to learn that the town adopted four k as a standard. andwe mentioned the situation in in davis, california. they did a study and put up lights for people.they put up four k, 56k. they installed four k and everybody hated them. they then wentback and took out 1400 streetlights at four k and put it in at 2700k, 2.7k or 2700 versus4,000. the key point is, you talked about being a yellow light, it is a warmer light.and we're talking about a unique area of oakville, downtown. heritage area which was previouslylit by maybe a gas lamp. would have been lit by incandescent lights. in fact there's theoakville hydro has in his lobby, the original

electric lights direct current. it would havebeen a warm light. and the warm light looks right against the heritage building whichwere brick and were built at a time when we had warm lighting. there's incongruity, ifwe put up a light with four k, it doesn't work and it doesn't match and is a problem.we're hero to help the town from making a mistake. it is really critical that we seewhat these lights would look like. we're talking about not the streetscape, we're concernedabout the night scape. downtown oakville at night is lovely. it is beautiful. we wantpeople to come out and enjoy the streets and restaurants and so forth. i think about ifthe light was bluish and harsh, it would lose the ambiance. i think it is important we maintainbe that look. i know maybe 4,000 is a standard.

4k is a standard. it may not be right fordowntown oakville. we ask that you give special considering to the needs of downtown oakvilleto have the right hue of light. and i think it can only be done by putting up you know,half a dozen lights, maybe with different different levels of of of color temperature.hopefully, we would see that, maybe 2700 as davis, california saw, was the host appropriatelighting for the heritage district, parks, residential streets. whereas maybe 4k is perfectlyfine for newer communities, busier streets and heavier traffic and so forth. the crowddoesn't move fast between lakeshore and navy and allen, we don't need highway standardof lighting. but we need something that is warm and distinctive and makes people feelas if we're in in in in an older part of oakville.

the o.e.d. part. we hope you listen to ourconcerns and incorporate not just the look of the lamppost but what it makes everyoneelse look like. that's our concern. we hope for the sake of downtown and the town, maybeafter having to replace lights after citizens get upset once they get the wrong color oflight, i think this is a time to do it and do it properly. thank you.>> thank you for clearing that up. councilor hutchins. this should be done. you could havebulbs with different kelvin. just switch bulbs. and change. it shouldn't be much of an issue.>> determine an area and have a study design. they learned from the failure of their initialstudy was to have a study design done before they put the lights up. they knew who to ask.they had had engineers. they had a sufficient

number of people evaluate the light and toanswer answer the right questions. not just do you like it or not? is it pleasing? there'sstudy design aspects. we want an broken yet study done.>> the town is caught in the middle here because they need to raise the lighting standardsto some extent, lakeshore is a fairly major highway through oakville. perhaps there'sa compromise on the corners, the major intersections, the light tends to work blue and in betweenthey work the orangy, home like. >> i'm not an expert on that, the safety aspectsbut i don't think the color affects the safety as much as intensity. we're talking aboutif you have enough of a warm light, but you have enough 0 of it, then you should be ableto meet your safety concerns. that's why i

think we could be open to some of the othersuggestions where you have the arms out on the poles. but as long as the light comingfrom the arm is of a warm color, that would be consistent. i think it would look betterif all lights had the same hue as you look down lakeshore road.>> let's agree not to design it by committee tonight.>> i personally am taking away, we should have spot tests where we check out differentcan temperatures to see how we feel. i would ask are you comfortable with the color temperaturenow? >> i do. i think they have a warm glow tothem. i think we have a lovely streetscape. i don't think i've ever thought of them asbeing bluish or garish. i think we want to

make sure what is there is consistent withthe brick buildings. >> whatever is town there now, wouldn't offend?>> no. because it it is sodium lights now or some of them.>> high pressure sodium. >> which has a lower color temperature.>> i remember when they came in everybody hated the color but never mind.>> compared to what they had, maybe it was weak back then.>> we learn to like what we're used to, i guess.>> i appreciate comments. >> council has always taken care with downtownand it always will. the research should prove that if nothing else does. we appreciate verymuch the feedback has we had. thank you so

much. additional wisdom for us?>> like to make a suggestion, before i do, i think you'll like this suggestion, i thinkthe audience will like the suggestion as well. let's not forget, we're talking about lightingnot just buildings, but talking about lighting the roadway. lakeshore road, high volumesof traffic, it needs to meet a certain level of lighting. wanted to prequalify that. mysuggestion is, the struggle we had moving forward is we have the bridge project whichis, we're going to demolish in january. that bridge has to be lit. we have to design lightsin that structure. on the structure, you hang the lights. you just can't put them anymore.you got to build a base and they stick out from the pair put wall. depending on the design,we're reaching a point of no return. if we

could go through public engagement and selectthe pole, whether it is reused existing pole and resolving the issues they had or the exactsame pole that was new that allowed the connections. we don't have to deal with the lighting levelsat this time. what we could do is install the lights on the project and put in oneswith four k and other k's. those will be in service by the late autumn of 2017. you'llpeel out those poles, test them out for lett say the first half of 2018. then we couldmake a decision on the lighting levels for the balance. what we like to know is whatthe style of pole is right now. and i think we could have the pilot project but use thebridge as the pilot. we may have to accept the fact that if it is something differentin terms of the lighting level as we go forward,

you might have have a different type light.and retro fit those. that's the suggestion where you could have this test. it doesn'tslow us down. >> i was hoping to hear has this fall we docolor temperature testing. get this question settled and done with. if it was up to meon the pole, i would choose a new version of the old pole, so we're able to have conveniencesthat the b.i.a. requires to upgrade downtown. i think if we did can it that way, it is winwin win. just saying. >> just don't know how quickly we could putthese test cases in. i don't know. i don't i can't answer that question right now.>> we could get a few larches and few bulbs, i'm talking about and test at town squareand decide what we like. see them. i don't

know what is involved in getting here to there.i need day to get back to you on that. >> we could give you time.>> i'm concerned, i don't want by aimless elaboration of of the decision never arriveat decision and not make our target dates for for all of the work that we have ahead of us. you know,a few days, no problem. >> i just like to i suggest you leave it withus, so we build back in the program, january, february, we looked at the color issue atthat time. and if we need to do a few more samples around town, we could do that in thespring and be done entirely by that point in time, rather than be report back quicklyto you. this gives us more time to sort that

through.>> done i believe. thank you. all right then. councilor.>> thank you. actually the question is for mr. cozi. you need the design for the bridgecompleted soon. i'm trying to figure out how you could do it not knowing what the illuminationwill be. it will impact on spacing. the type of road it is. without knowing the designstandard, we're going to implement we will we will light the bridge part itself basedon standards. it may be something completely different. the approaches to the bridge wherewe're doing streetscape work, from west and east, we would factor in whatever we decideas part of the process through change orders with the contractor and we'll say, we're goingwith eight poles instead of seven now. you

know, we would negotiate a price. on the structureitself, we have to make a decision. by february. because it will be tendered. once they pourthe deck in the spring, the rebar has to go in. we know where the streetlights will be. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------we're going to take into consideration the next meeting, the next cycle how we couldtake into consideration the safety standards and how to take in to consideration the color.we could bring it back to how we're going to do that. what opportunities we have forcontributing to the public. let's do work and bring something back on november 1st.>> in the road building and illuminating business, there's some specified correct standard ofof intensity for the at the road. imagining.

shake your head.>> after that. >> yes.>> we will know what color. by then you should be able to tell us what color. everybody contentwith that color >> i'm sure we could get back sooner thannovember 1st. we need time to think about this.>> all right. this is this is this is we've got to stop this dragging on, i think. makesome kind of motion, i wonder what that might be now. the motion to capture all the discussion.what a great idea. intensity point of view. the lights will have dimmers and you couldchange that. we like to test the c.r.i. or c.t. or whatever you like to color temperature.color rendition temperature. whatever you

would like, 3,000 kelvin or 4,000 kelvin.et cetera. take your time. we could move on and come back.>> yes, would you like us to move on? >> yes. this is recommendation number threeor the third element in the in the resolution that would be staff would consider the colortemperature and selection process and report back as soon as possible.>> that's duly moved by councilor hutchins? councilor hutchins your motion is carried.we come to the royal pet grooming business and the larger question of how we deal withthe contradictions that have been uncovered between the the zoning and the establishmentson the street in at least one section of spears. council you got three pretty clear choicesin front of you. i think we'll let the planning

director review them for you.>> your worship and members of the council. we're here to respond to a request by theoakville committee where staff was looked at what was necessary to permit the continuedoperation of a pet grooming business at 1380 spears road in the town of oakville. we hada chance to look at that and give options. a little history.>> before you begin, can i ask a a question, that you might you might thread through yourpresentation? i've heard that there that other other businesses have been discovered on speersroad with this similar with a similar problem to this. so that changes the dimension ofthis, is that correct? >> it does.>> away you go.

>> thank you. section 26 4 2 of the plan givesthe staff a level of direction with respect to undertaking a speers road corridor study,that's what we're going to talk about tonight. the reason i bring that up, we recently completedin draft the employment review which gave the subcommittee and council an opportunityto consider how plans throughout the town are looked at. in doing that, certain thingsemerge from when we look at the spears road corridor. if you look at what the plannedfunction is, by that, what the designations are, you will see variance on the ground.not everything all lines up. so there are some anomaly as we consider speers road corridor.with this in mind, we're hopeful to undertake in accordance with the direction of the withthe direction of the speers corridor a study

to help us put in context, this long stretchof the town with three distinct sections, one abutting. there's sensitivities to howthat road is addressed. we need to move traffic and contribute to the community, remain atsome level an appointment area. there seems to be a change that emerged on that stripof land. we think that there's a benefit in understanding the context as we go forward.we come back to the brought we're reporting on. this has history, goes back to 1997. specificallyat the time it opened operations it was zoned m 1 and the use the brought was put to didn'tnecessarily comply with the bylaw. and then a new zoning bylaw. this is not uncommon orthe norm as we consider the speers road corridor study. again back to the direction to staff,we were asked to look at options. if you look

in the report, you see three straightforwardoptions that could occur. essentially one or two of them are the same. the owner ofthe brought could proceed site specific with a planned amendment. site specific zoningto permit the use as it currently exists in that location. another is for the town toproceed, it would initiate the site planning amendment and necessary zoning amendment toto reflect that permitted use on that site. then there's a third option, which allowsallows context to be considered. that will be the the finalization of the speers roadcorridor study which is about to commence. we have the direction in the oakville plan.we could proceed to consider this brought and all others on speers road that may sharethe same characteristics and have a the proper

contextual analysis piece for us to make properrecommendations to to to town council. i think that covers it.>> thank you so much. council, i have an interest. i'm concerned about this. i have i have ihave spoken with members of the public about this. and so i would like to participate inin the discussion and debate on this and i would like to to pass the chair to counciloro'meara who is the next available acting mayor. o'meara, i wonder if you would be so kindas to accept this swap. >> my pleasure.>> you want me here or what do you want? >> with that, anyone that wishes to speakto the issue? mayor burton? >> thank you. council, i i would like to atfirst ask the planning director if there any

reason for us not to do the second optionwhich is the council initiated site specific zone, the the business ref ren there is isis in a bit of hardship in that they the the proprietor is how this came to light was brighterwas engaged in selling her business and the the prospective buyer checked with the townto see if it was permitted, business, which is a due diligence thing that any prospectivebuyer would do. it was discovered this didn't fit the zoning. i'm concerned mr. director,how long it would take to do this corridor study and and the fact that i i i think wewould be asking the proprietor to endure a longer wait than would be kind. i don't thinkit is kind and it is kind of harmful to the proprietor. so would you speak to to to anydown side to us proceeding with option two

first and second, would you describe to youus if we went with the third option, how long it would take?>> thank you. there is no tech ka reason why the staff cannot proceed to undertake a plannedinitiative review. that's not an issue. the down sides, i would put forward the notionwe're considering dealing with the change of use in the context of employment. there'spotential conversion and that may be seen as precedent setting issue. we would likethe benefit. we could still deal with the application on site specific basis. the downside is we don't often have the benefit of the information we may acquire and accumulatethrough the a broader study. i do believe that there is there's a lack of context thatthat represents itself with this option. but

all options, as we present it are do able.thank you so much. mr. mayor, in i'm in order to do it, i would move that council adoptoption two, the council initiated site specific change.>> we can do that. thank you. any other comments. councilor lapworth.>> thank you mr. acting mayor. the humane society have recently negotiated with thetown of milton to have a satellite office in town of milton. but the issue that wasraised there is that unless unless we are a medical facility, we would not be permittedto leave the animals on site overnight. i'm concerned if this grooming facility or facilitieswould be required to keep animals overnight on the premises?>> mr. chair, to the councilor. it is my understanding

it is not that type of facility like a vet,this is a place to have the dog groomed and wash it and clip its nails and hair and thingsof that nature. and dropped up and picked up at the end of the day or shortly in thattime frame somehow. >> wanted to be sure on that point.>> thank you. got counselor elgar. >> thank you so much, my question would be,can you remind me what precedent could this set going forward, if in fact we go with optiontwo. mr. chair, sorry. i hadn't given you you staff position yet. we actually haven'tdone it. there's a potential that staff may oppose the application. there's an issue thatresides with that. there's an issue of regional plan conformity that we have to concern ourselveswith. we would circulate this application

to the region. they would provide commentary.i'm thinking it is of a such a minor local nature that perhaps there would be a way forwardto me, but it is unclear. there's a number of owners that have been involved in a foressential settlement. we may not proceed in the same fashion as we have before. thereare other landowners that may see this as signal to file individual applications. againit is messaging. my comments about the study, it puts everybody in the same sort of placeand gives us the same treatment and the same opportunity for context without without withoutsignaling that the town is making a different decision about land use in this part of thecommunity. >> can you remind me how long would the studytake?

>> doing one thing here, which i think a lotof us would agree with, but could set one heck of a precedent setting case for everyonethat isn't in compliance now also. >> good question. we presented this afternoon.i believe it takes us to the end of 2017. i'm looking at the date. i believe that'sthe time frame we're looking at. we're looking at at least a year to complete that a designpiece. an assessment on the ground there and permitted to be on the ground right now. andthe public process that we would walk ourselves through.>> businesses are are we talking that really are not in compliance now?>> a ballpark. one, two. ten. >> 15.>> i wouldn't venture a guess. i don't have

that information.>> we don't have that information at all at this point?>> something we determine as we went forward. >> thank you so much for that. based on thatinformation, if option two is let's put it in force, i cannot support it because i thinkcould potentially very precedent setting. thank you.>> councilor adams? >> i don't think i can support it. there'sfees paid by the private sector, correct? >> to you, mr. chair. the options as i understandthem, the if the town was initiating it, the fees wouldn't be applied.>> we would do the work for them. >> that's correct.>> if there's others in a similar position,

we could have a situation we would have otherscoming forth too, which we would deal won case by case basis. view that could presentitself to this council for that reason. >> the reasons that are headlined as wellas the discussion, i can't support the motion. >> the councilors and i are aware of a secondcase and only two known to us. in the interests of full disclosure, the ward councilor whois not here has told me she supports option three which is consistent with what councilorselgar and adams have been saying. but i believe that we have a hardship case here. and thatit is a minor one. so i felt it was necessary to put forward option two on behalf of theproprietor. >> any other comments?>> how long would a site plan take for option

two.>> site specific zoning and plan, i'm going to estimate nine months. i can't see it quickerthan that, six maybe, but i don't think so. >> very similar to to the third option.>> it would be in perhaps a little shorter, no question about that. once we had the information,we could slot for agenda. the study will take as long as it takes. time is hose. optiontwo would be the quicker one. >> thank you.>> councilor knoll. >> thank you. with respect to option three,the wording of the option states that that that the owner could wait the foundation speersroad study and determine at that time what appropriate steps for the business. if i understoodyou correctly, the finalization of the report

would be at the end of 2017.>> yes. >> at that point, then a determination wouldbe made as to what to do, the road corridor study would not in of itself resolve the issue.>> let me be clear to you, to the chair and councilor, we would go through the processand truths would emerge. and there's direction that they would share with the community andwhere policies might evolve. a series of recommendations in my mind coming forward at some point. thesemay be in the form of plan amendments to larger gee geographies than just one. it may causepotentially changes that would flow from that. implementation phase, and once the reportswere done, we would have ota and zoning as well.>> in effect, there's a big gulf between the

eight months, seven day month to do rezoningand the corridor process, item three wouldn't start until the report is presented, is whati mand. at least it would be at least well into 2018 before had would ever see a councilvote. >> mr. chair, it has the potential to achievethat. on the large study. >> but i understand that. the timing>> i agree with your timing. >> we would be looking at 2017 end of 2017to complete the corridor study and whatever the outflow from that, it would take eightmonths. >> the time it takes to implement, yes.>> right, okay. do we have any other comments? thank you. i understand the concerns withwith the motion that is on the table. in terms

of third, await finalization of speers road,would this be a case where we have a nonlegal nonconforming whatever the phrase would be,i'm wondering what our enforcement people are going to be doing in the meantime.>> mr. chair, i'm not an enforcement person. i understand the commissioner may have commentson that one. >> i did speak to the new director of thebylaw enforcement issue. he indicated where there was a case where they had a petition,they wait for that to settle out before they proceed with investigation.>> i appreciate that. it sounds a fair and prudent way to move forward. if there wereother businesses on speers as well, they would have a bye at the same time, because theywould be in the same circumstance, i would

think.>> yes, they would take it through you. they would take the same approach for this specificsite as well as other sites. it would be in a study area.>> thanks. >> councilor chisolm.>> thank you, mr. chair. i'm i'm in looking at option three as the the appropriate positioni think we should take. with respect to the dog grooming, what is happening is this isone possibility and others that follow. and i really believe to be organized on this andand speers road corridor is the best solution in order to bring this to fruition in 2017and 18 for implementation, whatever that gives it gives the opportunity of the of the businessesto make their decisions and knowing this is

coming down and keeping them apprised of theof the status and process of this study, will hopefully clarify the zoning and where theyshould be and not should be. i'm supporting number three, option three. can you commenton the ability of the proprietor to sell the study now with the nonconforming language.>> i'm not a solicitor, but probably bought and sold regardless of zoning, i think they'rea tenant. it is not clear to me that they own the whole building. this is a strip haulif you think about it. this is one of the tenants that you would drive up. month one,there's a number of units in the building. >> the reason i asked is the mayor indicatedthere was hardship issues here. would you like to clarify that?>> lucky thing. the next one here. he may

answer you.>> the the proprietor is a tenant. and the the intention of of the motion is to to basicallyfix the spot she's in, not the entire strip mall. and it would provide her the abilityto sell the business and if she could find a buyer at this point. the buyer would beable to operate it where it is. which is where the customers are used to finding it. anda lot of these small businesses, the the much of the value of the business is the customerlist. so. as i say, it is council in its wisdom will make whatever is the best decision forthe town. but i have having been involved in discovering the dimensions of the problem,i felt the duty to bring forward the motion i brought forward.>> any other comments then?

>> so at this point, i have a motion on thetable from mayor burton, the motion, my apologies, any members of the public here that have informationto bring forward on this issue. >> going once, twice, thrice. perfect. offmotion on the floor. i have a motion to receive the report and direct staff to proceed withthe second option, the town initiated region zoning bylaw. so i'll call the vote. all infavor of the motion? those opposed. the motion fails. you have councilor chisolm.>> could we put another motion on the floor. view whatever you like.>> thank you. give me a second here. staff direct to initiate the speers road corridorstudy, in 26.4.2 at the livable oakville plant which states the corridor located along speersroad should be further studied to confirm

long term use and opportunities for intensificationsuitable for the area. >> option three or something different?>> we're talking motions and options, option three with the addition of this statement.if you call it a motion, i guess. >> bring it up here for me. i like to readit. we have here that staff be directed to initiate the corridor as identified in 26.4.2of the plan which states it should be further studied to confirm the long term uses suitablefor this area. that's the motion. just for clarification, are we not already initiatingthat study? that not on the docket? >> we haven't started it yet. that would bedone. >> okay. are colleagues comfortable with wouldthey want to see this?

>> okay. okay. we heard it perfect. so counciloradam? >> can i confirm what this motion does forthem? or means to them in terms of their action? how is it different than just awaiting thefinalization of speers corridor study. >> not much different, mr. chair. it givesthe authority where we're coming from oakville, we're providing that. and then some of thewell, in teams of reference of the study. we identified, i believe in that motion, talkedabout future land uses and this type of thing. it gives a little clarity in terms of expectation.>> not within expectation of the speers road study. there's a one line sentence, it isquote in the motion. we chose to repeat it to make sure that it is clear.>> only inasmuch as everything that was said

is what i would have expected the study todo. i'm wondering. i wanted to know why i have no problem with that.>> we thought it was a good idea to make sure the actual words at oakville were reflectedin the study so there was clarity. >> we're just being clear. i'm good. thankyou. >> mayor burton?>> just call attention to the fact that the councilor also moved receipt of the reportand that i don't want that to get lost. thank you. noted. any other comments on this motionthat is before us? i'll call the vote on this motion, all in favor? and opposed. motioncarries. mayor burton, thank you so much. >> thank you councilor, i appreciate considerationwas given to my proposal. i appreciated seeing

what council's direction was. i then turnedaround and voted on counsel's direction. next we have province land use planning review.you had a big addendum distributed to you. i think its important the public understandwhat we're dealing with here as well. >> thank you, mr. mayor and members of council.good evening. this item before you is number six on your addendum. i'll give you outlineof what we'll try to achieve this evening. we're going to present a summary of the coordinatedplan review and the process of the review and the level of participation from the townof oakville. we'll go through some some of the of the proposed changes to the relevantplan. we're going to highlight some areas of concern and and some recommendations thatwere given to the province through this process.

we're putting emphasis on key additional canrecommendations that are really important to the town of oakville. and leave time forquestions at the end. so the coordinated land use planning review with provincial initiativeand what we do results from the planning documents that the province sets us. was it initiatedin february 2015 and in the subject of extensive consultation and feedback. the four plansunder review are the are the niagara plan and the oak ridge map and green belt planand the golden horseshoe. the years that those plans came into effect are are also indicatedon the slide. green belt plan and the growth plan being the two newest plans that we'redealing with here in oakville. after all the consultation and feedback, the province released,we participated in that is well. on may, they

presented proposed changes and we've beenreviewing those as a group and individually and with the colleagues and other agencies.and with work with council and subcommittee. and we have we have a series of comments preparedand the deadline for those comments in this this this process is october 31st of thisyear. this month. that was set for the end of september, our schedule is such, we cometo see you before the comment deadline. that's important, to get this input.>> quick overview and some of you have seen this, i won't dwell on it. but the the proposedchanges to the plan. the vision for complete communities, curbing sprawl and protectingthe environment. managing growth, those directions in those plans are confirmed refined and strengthenedthrough the proposed changes. generally, that

is a good direction. part of the approachhere is to introduce new concepts to the plans. there's an area where we're seeing the responsibilitiesfor upper and single tier governments enhance those responsibilities. some of the changesare wide subtle but significant. and some long standing matters remain unresolved. andagain, we'll touch on these examples on the way through. there's a lot of material andwe won't get to it tonight. we'll have questions and the reports cover it in greater detail.there's a level of uncertainty that is introduced through the proposed changes and questionsaround implementation of the plan. just to help keep things a bit simple for us. thereare only two plans that apply to oakville. that are under review. greenbelt and the growthplan is the second from 2006. the green belt

plan is indicated here in in the in the greenarea and the the area this sort of this buff color, i hope you could see it on the monitorsis is the is the growth plan area. there's the inner ring which includes halton and oakvilleand the outer ring which includes these areas at the outside of of of of the greenbelt plan.really this area is obviously area of concern be to us. it is an area facing tremendousgrowth and pressure. i'm going to start with the greenbelt plan. this is made in oakvillegood news story. what we're seeing on this slide is two images. greenbelt plan. fromour, the livable oakville plan shows the greenbelt plan in this hatched area. that's the greenbeltman that was adopted in 2005 and that's a greenbelt plan that we show in the livableoakville. 2008 there was a process growing

the greenbelt. that was perhaps it could beexpanded. this council and staff were involved in that process. ultimately that process resultedin the creation of a new designation. that's the river valley designation. and amendmentnumber one amended the plan to include that designation and applied this designation tolands at oakville. so that was ultimately the result of of growing the greenbelt. andwhat is indicated on the second image is the preserve, up here and thee done that 407 along16 mile creek. it was applied to the reserve as a result of our work and our involvementin growing the greenbelt. so that's just a good news story for oakville. moving aheadto to 2016, were the proposed changes to the green belt plan. we have this urban rivervalley in the greenbelt plan area to be designated

21 urban river valleys, three located in oakville.and the 16 mile creek 14 mile and bronte creek. this is something we're supportive of. wehave some recommendations for the province on growing the greenbelt and suggesting, kindof see this here, has the mapping for growing the greenbelt is along the river valley inoakville. 14 mile creek is only shown to have the urban river valley designation down tothe w, our request is to extend that along the entire valley to be consistent with theurban river valley and others. that's an area where we think there could be improvement.and that's just saying, you know, to be consistent with your approach and that designation. we'renot the mapping to generate this designation in a finer scale is a buffer that has beenapplied to the natural feature. we feel that

type of mapping for what it means locallycould be improved through the use of local mapping. the actual limits of the featuresand the natural hazards aren't reflected in that. another is to use local mapping. thisis an example of where, keeping the local municipality involved in the discussion atthe provincial and regional level will create a more a more, i guess a more thorough, amore robust than planning type process. that's all i'm going to say about the urban rivervalley. generally, we're we feel positive about it. we think that it is almost there.it could go a little farther. going further on how it works. the notion of forecast isa step in the plan. it is an estimate of the future growth in terms of population employmentas it would come into an area. and it is a

number of people and jobs that is expectedto be coming here. and then, how those forecasts are allocate add where they're put, is tonebe through targets. and so, we use in in the growth plan, there are a number of targetsused. midtown oakville is designated in an urban center and has target of 200 residentsand jobs per hectare, that's a density target. there's another one, intention fiction target.and currently in oakville for the land south of highway five essentially done that, weconsider that our built up area. we're required under the growth plan to provide 40 percentof all new units. that's measured regionally. for oakville purposes it would be doing that.and that proposed change in the in the growth plan is to take that number of 40 percentup to 60 percent. within the same boundary,

the built up area and for oakville, it issouth of that. 60 percent of all units built annually are required to be built. that'sour minimum target. the other is the greenfield area. we're required to provide 50 residentsand jobs combined per hector, that's for the greenfield area. that number is proposed tochange from to 80 from 50. there's a way to calculate it. it is ratcheting up the levelof intensification in these arease. it is overview of that. we can come back to it.there's a concern around that. because we have areas planned at certain level of density.what does it mean? do we replan those areas? will those areas be will we look at areasoutside of of the areas we plan to, or the time horizon. currently the livable oakvilleplan is planned to 2031. the changes will

take us to 2041 and so we have to reopen thework and replan the areas and that are already developing or can we implement the new numbersafter the time period on the lands that aren't planned in such a way. those are our recommendationsof the province that we should phase it in in 2031, the intensification target insidethe boundary and it should be measured from 2031 to 41. so let us do can the implementationof plans in place and introduce the hue targets in the future. same for the residents andjobs per hectare. and the greenfield area target, those are for those that are unplanned.in oakville, we're planned and urbaned. so less a concern for us. were we required toremain, there's question about implementing the new targets. funding. so this this hasemerged from the date of the growth plan was

initiated back in in 2006, how do we pay potrequired growth and supporting the required growth. continues to be a strong theme anda chorus of voices across the region that in order for municipalities to to to provideinfrastructure for growth, we need stable sustainable type funding for that. so we'vewe've identified two types of funding we recommend the province provide, one is they should payfor some infrastructure to support the growth we're required to accommodate. and they shouldalso provide for for for new tools, new funding tools to local municipalities. so we couldalso pay for growth and have growth pay for itself. currently the development chargesand the current tax base can't provide the required infrastructure funding to supportthe growth. thirdly, one of the unresolved

issues perhaps or a constant issue is thatwith should all be to put it gently, by should be in the same boat rowing together in thesame direction. sometimes you get different ministries in different directions. they shouldbe coordinated through a secretary, so that the left hand and the right hand are workingtogether. that would slow down through all of the other, the municipalities involvedin implementing the growth plan. that would go to delivery of infrastructure and hospitalsand schools, and wires and roads. these things you need to improve to have more people usingthem. been changes to employment policy. this is a little bit in the subtle but significantcategory of changes. in the growth plan. the definition has changed to include smallerbuildings and and and whereas now, a major

office might be let's say something the sizeof town hall. in the plan, it would be something half the size of town hall. you find thesebuildings in more locations. what they're saying in the proposed changes is that majoroffice should be directed to growth areas. mid town oakville or intensification. otherintensification nodes. in oakville we would like to put offices where we want them, sothere's a concern be about this definition. there's also prime employment areas, it isdescribing land intensive warehouse, industrial type of uses. these are important uses inthe economic sense, but they may not be the type of use that is we would define for ouremployment areas. we are supportive generally protecting employment lands. and these changesin the employment policy, but we ask the province

look to the local talent to give them theinformation around what should go where and what uses should be permitted and what arethe locations for these these important economic drivers. the theme has risen up, one sizefits all planning. there's local character and identity that could be lost in this ifit is not considered. it is a local authority involved in that planning process.>> we're asking for recognizing that authority and providing clarity on how to implementthis. so climate change is an important new theme, the word climate doesn't even appearin the current growth plan. now it is appearing in every document. we think this is a goodthing. it is important issue. on a global scale. and if oakville. oakville is a leaderin climate change policy and implementation

or activity. at municipal level for many years.long before other people were getting into. so it is great to say it but we don't knowwhat to do with it. we need more clarity and guidance on implementing policy. that's arecommendation. and this is back to that that upper tier lower tier or upper tier and singletier power. in terms of being able to writing plan policy at the local level, we can stilldo that. we won't have the protection of the policy growth plan saying you could writethe policy. this is specific adjustment, it should be the opportunity to put in in yourofficial plan policies for climate change should be for all municipalities. not justupper and single tier. and then finally, there are ways other than the growth plan to combatclimate change. we're suggesting extra tools

be developed such as amendments to buildingcodes. buildings are emitters. the building code could be a strong instrument in in inin helping implement climate change action. two slides before the recommendation. an areaof great interest and concern be for the town of oakville is this notion of a comprehensivereview. it is existing in the current plan and going to the proposed plan. we feel someof the way it is used and who will use it is not quite giving oakville what it needsto plan locally. for example, in order to set your urban boundary and establish nodesand corridors you need to do a comprehensive review. in order to change that, you needto undertake a comprehensive review and you can't submit a private application for thosechanges. the municipal authority initiates

it. there's a restriction against privateaction. private applications, that's for urban boundary expansion. we don't have that herein oakville. we're dealing with or situations. and private private application that is wouldchange the urban structure aren't restrict in the same way as the boundary expansion.we think this is a gap, it is an important gap for oakville. because that's a type ofchallenge we're facing in our planning environment and into our planning framework. so even thoughyou need to do an ncr to create a structure, someone can come and change the structureand there's no restriction against that. we think that private amendment to to changelocal municipal official plan and growth structure should be sheltered or restricted. they shouldn'tbe able to submit private application. here

are the recommendations, restrictions placedon private opa's and large scale proposals to change the urban structure. and then thatwould that would give us the opportunity to to and the strength to plan and find and servicegrowth, that's a fallout from the change to the structure. if you haven't gone down thepath, it changes. the whole direction has to change to follow that. that's not fairor appropriate. that's our municipal comprehensive review is used, but this is a key point forus. this is a report recommendation, that that the that the report be endorsed by council.and we're using endorsed here because we want we want support to send this off as our commentto the province. we're also looking for direction to circulate this to city of burlington andtown of milton halton and halton mps and there's

a partner agency and ministry in the greenbeltprogram. and finally we like direction to submit this report to the provinces, commentstown of oakville prior to the dead can line of october 31st. thank you for your attention.>> thank you for a very clear explanation of a very complex and difficult subject. ithink the public was well served by the clarity of that. i have questions of note from councilorelgar. you have the floor. >> thank you so much. i appreciate the presentation.could you give more information on the urban. i'm not sure it applies to the private lands,how far does the province go on that? >> it hasn't made changes to the ownershipof the land that the urban river valley designation applies to.>> it applies to the publicly owned land.

>> correct. the current plan. as does theproposed greenbelt. >> they stayed out of the water.>> yep. >> you mentioned about ministries differing.could you expand more where the ministries are differing on everything on the numbers?perhaps through you, mr. chair, the numbers, growth numbers or population forecast?>> it seems like the ministries differ at this point.>> you were speaking about the delivery of growth supporting services, hospitals, schools.>> i won't speak about numbers in differing in numbers but an example where there perhapswas not alignment was you have a growth plan that is saying, midtown oakville is designatedurban growth center and to accommodate a lot

of mixed use, residential, office type andanother ministry built a parking garage on a key location in in what would be a growthcenter. so that kind of alignment or miss alignment is a sort of thing we like to avoidthrough better cooperation at ministerial level. funding is another one. i think we'rewhere things go based on money and land use policy, sometimes don't line up. that kindof >> i appreciate little more clarification.today at the at the oakville subcommittee meeting, i raised an issue some omb reports,some of the legal people representing developers had made it here that there's no requirementin the plan has says proposals of a certain size may not proceed as individuals applicationsand must not be considered only through a

town led process. has staff had time to seewhether we can, put a little more wording into one section of the proposal that we'relooking at sending? >> that's what that mcr slide was talkingabout. >> i get it, but my question, the staff, didthey have time to put additional wording to make it clearer.>> we did can look at it, and i think kirk tried to cover in his presentation. it iscovered on it is item six page 17 of the agenda. i think to insure, we protect the urban structure,we as municipality establish through conference review, i would suggest that we could addsomething to the third paragraph to say further official plan amendments should be shelteredfrom appeal.

>> thank you for that. want only pleat clarityas we go forward. i appreciate the extra wording if we go with that, that's okay. that's allthe questions i have. 97 pages to read. i read them all. i did note the modificationsthat were made at the the region recently at and appreciate they're in there. thankyou so much. view councilor o'meara. >> thank you so much. thank you for the detailedreport. it is good. working regionally we're seeing similar vein, i have concerns withregards to the term that we keep going back to, in terms of financial tools. we had brinksmanship where he said, tell me what you want and i want it clear. and it seemed like we'reheading down a path where we know development isn't paying for development at 100 percent.we have the province be mandating that we

need to take more. but yet we seem to be nottaking in my opinion a firm enough stance that okay you're going to fund this and stepup to it, i think what i'm seeing down the road is some sort of taxation tool that aregoing to be put on to the municipalities to levy in order to pay for a mandate that thatthat we've been given from the province. i'm wondering if there's stronger language thatprovince takes the steps to provide the mandate to complete the needs in daily living, thosesorts of things. i have hesitation about asking for financial tools to do that, when it isthe province itself that is making us do that. i would like to be clear in our language thatwe expect them to pay for the development that they're thrusting upon us and not haveus throw ourselves out and go to a resident

and can them for new taxation tools. i'm wonderingmaybe if you could comment on that. maybe i'm misreading that sentence. i'm not sureif i'm out of line in terms of my council colleagues. that was raising flags to me.>> mr. chair, i would say that that if there's an opportunity for stronger language, we shoulduse it, but what we attempted to craft in the recommendation was a balance. that theprovince should pay for some things. we would like, if the province. we would like to payfor something ourselves. if the province gave us all the money, they wouldn't let us tellthem how to spend it. the risk, you don't have money, you may not be able to implementwhat your ambitions are. that's a that's a a way of having both perhaps? what we're aimingfor?

>> i guess to clarify, we're not getting themoney, our residents, it is their money. so i know a tax dollar is a dollar to most residents.they don't see where it is and where it comes from. i'm sensitive to that. my residentsare more hypersensitive to that. when we tell them that we need to pay for more buses andwe need to do a bunch of other things, in one way shape or form, the bus is the wrongone. there's been changes there. i think i would like the province to know that we stillfeel the responsibility is on them if they're forcing development can and growth on us tomake sure that is paid for and not just allow us to be the sort of straw figure up therewho okay, if you want to go tax them, put land transfer tax on and have residents upin arms, even though we're mandated to grow

these areas. i like to see it mandated, weasked for this and told them this was on there. then the lines of accountability need to bestrongly delineated. >> commissioner. just to add. three thingswe're asking for. one is the current brought tax base, or the brought tax system is notthe source of funding they should look for. second the province needs to come to the table.otherwise the intensification won't take place. the third is we need more revenue tools andinclude in that bucket of ref meow tools, development charges. it is not just a taxationbase, but there are other ways of of taking funding from from the appropriate places.and so, we have not been specific on be those. the city and toronto and changes they have,have offered some opportunities on the revenue

tools, but i note we include development chargeswithin that. those are the three main messages that we're trying to send through this report.they're not clear, we could certainly make them clear if that covers all the interestsyou're looking at. >> thank you. i think it does. i think maybejust to take that one step further then be, financial tools from the development happening.not pre existing tax base. and and and going this way up about then, i know the mayor saidthis, at nauseam in terms of new development, seeking new development and not tax base.i'm not sure if there's a way to get creative around financial tools that just helps toclearly identify exactly where those those financial tools would come from. it is notbased on the existing tax base, brought tax

or whatever that may be.>> i wonder if if it would be helpful if we we backed up and inserted a statement thatsaid oakville believes that growth should pay for itself or the growth should bear allof its costs. and then maybe a second sentence would be we call on the province to restoreprior to the 1997 amendments that gutted the act. approximately before 1997's changes,all of the costs of growth were recovered. and the terms we use is important, the developmenttax is a tax, it is a tax only on the developers. so we're we don't want to tax existing theway i would frame it, we don't want the existing residents to support any tax regarding growthbecause it amounts to subsidy for developers, it is welfare for them. they're the last peoplethat need a handout. since 1997, basically

the brought taxpayer has been bearing, 10to 20 percent of the cost of growth because of the exemptions and subsidies that the changesin 1997 created. so, does staff want to take some time to to to first off, council okaywith that, does that satisfy what you were saying?>> it does. thank you. >> and staff do you want to do you want toto hold us back and bring it back or what is your advice on fixing this. i have twomore after this one. >> we like to take it perhaps and providea covering memo to provide clarity on the discussion we heard this evening. i believeit would be october 17th. >> we've got time.>> the other two points, i ask council to

see if they would like to add to this is howdo you feel about about a clear unequivocal statement that the province should add privatelands to to the urban river valley, to eligibility for designation with the you are pan rivervalley designation? any objection to that? would you consider adding that to this tothis document? going for broke here. miss childs read a line i quite liked that wouldcould be added in a spot to to to to the to affect the issue my friend councilor elgarraised where you would the key phrase i noted was shelter from appeals. and i take it youhad that language prepared. any member of council who would disagree with adding that?i didn't think so. though would be the three biggies i heard tonight for beefing up onour submission.

>> we'll bring that back by way of memo.>> any other things? >> sorry. councilor?>> your slide about the upper tier and single tier. and then reading it in the report. couldyou clarify where oakville stands? in in we're two tier? lower tier.>> yes. >> yes.>> so could you clarify that? >> he can clarify.>> actually, if you're going the direction i hope you are let me ask you, are you headedwe planning authority who take seriously our right to have a vision of our on communitythat reflects our community's view of itself >> absolutely.>> we resent the the the loss of planning

hjort that is implicit in the several placethat is mr. biggar politely pointed out the loss. and so maybe a fourth thing would bedo we want to say clearer and stronger we're mad about losing our authority and insiston retaining it. they should pull up their socks before we really get mad at them. howdo you how do you i was worried as as mr. biggar was speaking, we might have been sogenteel that they would not notice we were missed. i wonder if we need to say a littlestronger, hey, what are we chopped liver? >> certainly. we get the sense of where you'recoming from and reflect on that as well. >> i appreciate that as well. thank you.>> so this is good. anybody else? you'll have another chance next time. we'll see if wecould don't beef it up. i will circulate to

you the the some of the of the of the informationi received last week and may help your thinking and staff have already seen and i think alreadyreflected in here. but give you a chance to to put a second each of you put a second setof eyes on the matter. so now we need to turn to staff for a motion. turn to a member ofcouncil to refer this to october 17th. councilor? all in favor. opposed. the matter is referredto october 17th. council would you like at item number seven, the recommendation reportfor the draft plan condo and 3052 creek shore common. mr. thun are you back. thank you,mr. biggar. councilor. unless somebody wants to see the presentation, this is routine andi would be willing to move the item. >> any members of the public for informationfor council on this matter. councilor, you

have your wish.>> i move approval of the staff recommendations. >> mr. thun, you're batting 1,000. you getapproved without presenting. all those in favor. opposed if any. and councilor, congratulations.that carries. well then, i guess, this may be this may be a voice of the same color,this is a craft plan condo for willow bay. before i i entertain questions. any membershere from the public? is it your view this is routine? i believe you just moved it, didyou? any be discussion in all in favor. opposed if any. that's a carry. now number nine isthe notice of intention to amend the designation bylaw. as you knower from reading the report, really this is a housekeeping matter designed toclarify and to update a designation that was

perhaps by modern standards a little incompleteon settling on the heritage attributes we're concerned about. if you want to affirm staff'srecommendation on this, we need a mover. councilor hutchins was the fastest although you guysclose. all those in favor, opposed if any, that carries. we have the heritage updateon the jordan munhouse and it was distributed. i'm looking at the table toward the sixthline. councilor graham. >> we move the staff recommendation for numberten as well. >> discussion, all in favor? opposed if any.carried. good news item. heritage trust awards. councilor?>> i would like to make a motion that it be accepted.>> any discussion, councilor knoll.

>> i was excited about one of them, i wasgoing to move it, happy my colleague did it. all those in favor, opposed if any. congratulations,that also carries. now you have some confidence the discussion items, c1 and c2 and c3. committeeof adjustment appeals designed to to to the point of these appeals was for council toto to uphold by appealing these decisions to uphold its its official plan, 11.1.9 whichis the the stable neighborhoods protection. councilor, saw your hand.>> thank you, mr. mayor. unless colleagues have questions. one is in ward three and onein ward two. i am happy to move the recommendations detailed in the item, 1, 2, 3.>> thank you councilor. councilor. >> i have one question. s it it is not incamera question, just ask staff have they

had a chance to meet with any of the of thepeople yet that that were which had approval from the committee of adjustment at this pointin time? i'm saying specifically of c3. >> through you, mr. mayor, my informationis that there have been meetings with respect to item c1, but not as yet regarding the othertwo. >> councilor chisolm.>> we have met with with with the owners and architects for c3. and that discussion hasbeen taking place. there's been approval on that one. all right. i put the vote, all infavor. those appeals are affirmed. the advisory committee minutes are before us. is therea motion to handle the the minutes of the advisory committees? councilor knoll, motionto approve 12 and 13. all those in favor,

opposed if any. and committee reports received.and we need a motion to rise and report to council.nobody wants to go hope? hutchins wants to go home. all in favor. that carries. and irise and report that the committee as a whole has met and made recommendations onconsent item one, public hearing items two and three, and discussion items four fivesix seven eight nine ten 11. and c12 and 3. and items 12 and 13 as note bid the clerk.and move secondary to the report would be in order. all those in favor? opposed if any.the report is adopted. and are are there any forms of new business emergency?bylaws adopted. has completes the agenda,

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think we had a great meeting and everyone made reallyabout contributions. i appreciate the time and attention everybody gave to the town'sbusiness. great working with you and we're adjourned