Pyrantel Pamoate For Dogs

sarah: hi, smartpak fans. welcome back to our askthe vet video series, with smartpak staff veterinarianand medical director, dr. lydia gray. i'm smartpaker sarah.

Pyrantel Pamoate For Dogs, and, once again, we're hereanswering your questions as submitted on facebook,instagram, youtube and all our other channels. and then voted onby fans like you.

today we'll be doingthe top five questions. and for all the askthe vet updates, you can always checkout blog.smartpak.com. dr lydia gray: excellent. sarah: one quick noteon last month's video, as i'm sure you remember, we hada second question from kellie. and her questionswere written so well. and i happened to say,you know, i think we might have a future dvm on our hands.

turns out, i'm psychic. dr lydia gray: you are? sarah: she commentedon the video, and said she is currentlyapplying to vet school. dr lydia gray: that's excellent. sarah: yeah. so she'll be joining your ranks. dr lydia gray: all right. so she can do this.

sarah: she-- i mean, ithink she would probably need as much experienceas you have, so, which is considerable. all right. so let's jump in withour first question. this one comes from instagram. and kamainia124 says,what is your advice on worming your horse? i typically worm every sixmonths with different pastes.

what do you suggest? dr lydia gray: howmuch time do we have? sarah: and i was goingto say, i will settle in, because i know this isgoing to be a good one. dr lydia gray: this mightbe my favorite topic. if not, it's thesecond favorite. it's very close. we spend a lot of time talkingabout this because the parasite control - the paradigm.

there's been a paradigm shift. sarah: oh. dr lydia gray: i know. i love when i can say that. sarah: that's pretty good. dr lydia gray: the advicewe were given 50 years ago, before i was born even--i love when i can also say that-- was to rotatedewormers every two months or so because thedewormers we had

didn't get all of the speciesof worms the horses had. that doesn't exist--that's not true anymore. plus, we have the added problemof resistance in a parasite. so now, the thinking hasturned around dramatically. and more and morepeople are getting on board, which is a goodthing, that you need to do the fecal egg per gram counts. so you need to find out howmany eggs-- parasite, worm eggs-- your horse is shedding.

this doesn't tell you,contrary to what people think, how many worms your horse has. sarah: ok. dr lydia gray: there'snot a good correlation. what it tells you is ifyour horse is a high shedder or a low shedder, which meanshow much is he putting out, is he contaminatingthe environment. sarah: oh, so it's moreabout looking forward rather than a current check.

dr lydia gray: yeah, thenif you have a low shedder, you might only need to dewormthat horse once or twice a year. but a high shedder needsdewormed more frequently so that he's notpooping out worms, and making the environmentfull, and then reinfesting themselves. sarah: ok, so-- dr lydia gray: people think it'shard, but it's not actually.

it's do the fecal, and thenfigure out what frequency your horse needs. and, of course,this all comes with your veterinarian's-- becauseevery location is a little bit different in the country. so it's pretty simple. sarah: when you talk aboutthat people used to rotate dewormers, what does that mean? they were just likeswitching brands?

or when you talk about rotation? dr lydia gray: chemical classes. dr lydia gray: somepeople switch brands, but it was important asswitching chemical classes. dr lydia gray: so we'd wouldgo from like a benzimidazole, like a fenbendazole, andthen to a pyrantel pamoate, and then to a ivermectinor moxidectin. and people would getinto this rotation of like every other month.

you don't have todo that anymore. because of the resistance,some of the chemical classes don't work anymore. not that theydon't work as well. they flat out don't work period. so it's like giving yourhorse a tube of water, or some sort of-- sarah: except heenjoys it much less. dr lydia gray: oh, much less.

yeah, so, a friendof mine said, you don't get points forgoing through the motions. you have to usesomething that works. and the way you know it worksis by doing fecals and working with your vet. that was-- i'm impressed. dr lydia gray: i did prettygood in keeping it down, yeah. so we have cadence onyoutube, who is wondering, my horse had an abscess.

and i wanted to know,how does an abscess form? how and why does it burst? yeesh. dr lydia gray: ok. so, yeah, exactly. so i consulted ourhoof health consultant, danvers child for this. and he wrote, "althoughthe hoof provides a barrier against theelements, it's not impermeable.

and there are numerouspathways for bacteria to enter the hoofcapsule, especially at the sole or thebottom, in the wall, this part, the vertical-- thejunction where those two meet. occasionally, a bacterial pocketwill develop as an extremely localized infection" -- so it'san infection is what an abscess is-- "creating pressure dueto build up, inflammation, and white blood cells. as this pocketattempts to expand,

it encounters therigid hoof wall. it creates extremeinternal pressure and seeks an outlet or a vent. and in doing so, itmigrates or moves, and follows the pathof least resistance, eventually erupting at the heelbulb of the coronary band," like where the skin is, wherethere's no more hoof, so. sarah: sounds pretty unpleasant. dr lydia gray: it'sextremely painful.

and it's beenlikened to when you hit your finger witha hammer, and then the nail-- your fingerthrobs and the pressure has nowhere to go because youhave the rigid nail there. sarah: right. dr lydia gray: yeah, buthorses have to walk on it. so that's why youcan see them where they'll be three-legged lame. dr lydia gray: yeah.

ok. do not want abscesses. dr lydia gray: no. sarah: so chase onyoutube is wondering, my vet has recently told me thatshe thinks one of our horses has neurologic ehv-1. i don't know verymuch about this, but i was told it could spread. are my other horses in danger?

what can i do for my currenthorse with this condition? is euthanasia the best option? dr lydia gray: wow. so, with these we liketo have a lot of fun, you know, but this isa really serious topic. sarah: tough one. dr lydia gray: and ifeel bad for this person. ehv-1, or equine herpesvirus-1 is a serious condition. and it's-- what happens is,there's three presentations,

or ways thisdisease can present. and so respiratory isprobably most common. and then abortionstorms, they call them, when a bunch of big--like a broodmare farm, a bunch of mares have this. and then rarely, but enoughthat we take notice now, they have thisneurological presentation. and it starts out with a fever. there can be somerespiratory signs.

i don't know what her horse had. but the neurologic signs are--the scientific word is ataxia, but it means wobblyor uncoordinated. and when thathappens, i mean, it's a reportable disease in states. and so you tell your vet,and he tells the state vet, and that barn is probablynow under quarantine. and they typically don'trelease the quarantine till 21, maybe 28, days.

they have to make sure thatthe horses don't-- they're not actively shedding it anymore. and so they do nasal swabtesting, blood testing, and follow the diseaseprogression around. within the barn, even,they'll quarantine the horses that have clinicalsigns, from the ones that have positive test, fromthe ones that are absolutely 100% normal. so this is-- we alwaystalk about, work closely

but this is one wherethere's no option. i mean, you do exactly whatyour vet and the state vet tells you. and as far as thequality of life issue, that's a decision that youhave to make personally. and your vet weighs in on,and friends and family. and that sort of thing, so. i don't have a percentagenumber for the ones that develop clinical signs ofneurology, and then, you know,

how many need really euthanasia. but there is a linkbetween the seriousness of the neurological signs. like if you're just a littlewobbly, that's one thing. but if you're downand can't get up, that's much more significant. sarah: sure. dr lydia gray: sothose are the kind of things that yourveterinarian will

weigh into the decisionand the advice. sarah: yeah, and continueto evaluate the horse and, you know, give youan updated prognosis. dr lydia gray: and,of course, treat them. they treat the signs. so they'll try toreduce the fever. they'll try to calmdown the inflammation in the nervous system. so they'll do thingsto help the horse.

they'll probably givefluids to make sure that the horse stayshydrated, and painkillers, and that sort of thing. sarah: with ehv-1 and, youknow, kind of herpes outbreaks in general, it sounds likewe're seeing-- at least me personally, even on myown just facebook news feed-- more news of horse showgrounds being closed and things like that, with more outbreaks. and i recently saw usef updatedtheir vaccination requirements.

can you talk a littlebit about that? dr lydia gray: well, it'scalled new usef vaccine rule, because theydidn't used to have it. this is the first year thatit's been around, and a rule, and enforced. and i think their yearstarts december 1, so we're six months in. but you have to have proof thatyour horse has been vaccinated with influenza andrhinopneumonitis-- which

is the other name for ehv--within six months of entering the show grounds. sarah: mm-hm. because it is, asyou were saying, it's something that onceit happens is so serious. you know, that people aretrying to be more proactive. dr lydia gray: and then it'sspread from horse to horse. and co-mingling andstress seems to activate shedding of the virus.

sarah: which is a greatdescription of a show ground. dr lydia gray: exactly. sarah: co-mingling,stressed horses. yeah. our fourth questionwas submitted by molly. and she also askedon youtube, how long should you waitto give your horse water after a good workout? can the water be cold or shouldit be a moderate temperature?

this is a great question. dr lydia gray: ilove this question. i'm so glad that someonefinally asked it. there is no need to wait at all. sarah: really? dr lydia gray: thatis an old wives' tale. i'm not sure how it got started. i think i read somewhere, maybeit was the black beauty story. because remember,he did some gallop,

the person was sick,and got to the barn, and the young groom gave himwater and didn't cool him out, and then he got-- sarah: got the colic, yeah. dr lydia gray: i swear to god,if that's where this started... but the research says--so now modern science-- the research says there'sno reason to wait. and in fact, if you wait,they might not drink as much. it seems that they're thirstierin the first 15-30 minutes

after they work. and then it gets blunted. then they're like, i'm good. so if you offer them waterright away, they'll drink more. sarah: right, to rebuildwhat they lost in sweat. sarah: but then, if youleave them, they don't. interesting. dr lydia gray: they'relike, i'll drink a little. but, so there's lotsof advice out there

about withhold water completely,which is a really bad idea. and then there'smore moderate advice as well, walk them andlet them have a few sips. their stomachs havetwo gallons in it, so i think two gallons isprobably fine to give them. you know, i mean,i don't know a lot of horses that aregoing to sit in one spot and take two gallons, butlet them have what they want. dr lydia gray: it's agood way to rehydrate,

cool down, recover. think what you would want. sarah: what i do want wheni come in from working out. well all you youngadult authors out there, you have a lot of responsibilityto get the facts right, because otherwise you could beperpetuating the next old wives tale. dr lydia gray: hundredsof years later. exactly.

sarah: thirsty horses, man. our last question is byhope_m_taylor_00 on instagram. and she's wondering,my horse was in all day and then gets turnedout during the night. my mother is worried she'snot getting enough vitamin d. what is something that couldhelp her receive vitamin d? interesting question. dr lydia gray:well, i'm not going to answer the question,because i don't

know that her horse needs it. i had this a few years agoon the regular ask the vet, so there's a blog on it. so i'm cheating by usingmy own blog for research, because i did, i looked thingsup, and i'm like ok, i get. so whenever there'sa nutrition question, i always go to the nrc,the nutrient requirements of horses. and what they said is,"there are no reports

of vitamin d deficiencyto date in horses maintained in practicalsettings with some exposure to sunlight." and several othersources i looked at said a few hoursof sunlight a day-- and one even said as littleas one hour of sunlight a day. so, you know, considerthe horse that lives, i mean, basically, it's outside. it's not in a housewith curtains, right?

so there is exposureto sunlight. and we don't slather themwith sunscreen like people, so i'm sure-- i thinkshe's probably fine. this horse is fine. yeah, you don't have to beout standing in direct noon sunlight to get what you need. no like tanning bedwith a reflector. dr lydia gray: no, yeah. sarah: not necessary?

dr lydia gray: idon't know a lot of horses that would do that. no. sarah: newmanwouldn't be into that? dr lydia gray: well, yeah,he would probably do that. sarah: i feel likehe likes relaxing. dr lydia gray: yeah,he's a bit of a diva. sarah: all right. well those are all ourquestions for this month.

thank you, guys, for submittingsuch awesome and varied topics. it's really fun. dr lydia gray: they were reallygood, and timely, i think. absolutely. so we're going to be acceptingquestions for next month's video starting now. and you can submit them on allof our social media channels using #askthevetvideo. that's on instagram, facebook,twitter, pinterest if you wish.

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dr lydia gray: but no pressureto make a good question, because these weresome pretty good ones. sarah: although if youdo make a good question, you could win asmartpak gift card if your question isvoted into the top five. so that's a prettygood incentive. and if you'vereceived-- if we've answered one of your questionsand you haven't gotten your gift card yet, you can justdirect message us on youtube

or you can emailcustomercare@smartpak.com and we'll get thatstraightened out for you. because you want to get that. that's a nice reward. all right, well, thank youguys so much for tuning in. don't forget tosubscribe to our channel so that you never miss thenext ask the vet video. and have a great ride.